jenna: new fallout over the president's healthcare laws. many small businesses and nonprofits take steps to try to deal with what they are calling a financial and bureaucratic burden. that could mean cutting back workers, maybe cutting back hours of workers, or hiring fire people. jim ingle is looking into this from washington. jim, as small businesses, small employers look at this new healthcare law, what are they telling you about some of the burdens that they say they are going to face? >> reporter: well, more and more of them, jenna are looking at what the new healthcare law will mean for them, and learning that what they do now will affect them later because the irs says it will penalize businesses based not on next year's employment when the law makes effect, but this year's employment. if a business has mourn 50 employees it has to provide insurance or pay a penalty. if employees work more than 30 hours they must be giving insurance. that is very expensive, even prohibitive for many small businesses. listen. >> there were three bad i